Here's the link to Jonsson's review of Furuli in case anyone hasn't seen it.
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SCHOLAR 'talk' to Ray about Carl Olof Jonsson
by one ini just received a long email from ray,
i reprint what an scholars wrote to ray
" i became aware of the work of carl olof jonsson by coming across his work posted on the net entitled "a review of rolf furuli: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.
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SCHOLAR 'talk' to Ray about Carl Olof Jonsson
by one ini just received a long email from ray,
i reprint what an scholars wrote to ray
" i became aware of the work of carl olof jonsson by coming across his work posted on the net entitled "a review of rolf furuli: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.
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City Fan
one,
Are any of you going to order from Xulon?
I'm afraid I won't be ordering it. I've read similar defences of the Roman sequence and they just don't stand up to the logical conclusions of more liberal scholarship. The fourth Kingdom was Greece, plain and simple.
CF.
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Giving account to God
by JH inif one day, you had to give account to god for your spiritual inactivity, what would you say?
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City Fan
If one day, you had to give account to God for your spiritual inactivity, what would you say?
I'd tell him it was his own fault for writing a book so full of lies, prophetic mistakes and contradictions. Then I'd kick him out the door.
If biblegod was apologetic then I might lend him my Tao Te Ching. It's a much shorter read!
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New 607 info?
by startingover ini just discovered something i have not seen anywhere before.
i was looking at my old "all scripture inspired" book, and i say old because it was the first edition from 1963 and i had used it for years.
according to the wt cd there were revisions in 1983 and 1990. i came across this little goodie under the book of daniel.
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City Fan
Another problem with relying on biblical chronology, apart from it's internal inconsistencies, are the number of textual variants.
Now take Daniel 2:1. The Old Greek translation (Papyrus 967) reads twelfth, not second. So which was original?
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New 607 info?
by startingover ini just discovered something i have not seen anywhere before.
i was looking at my old "all scripture inspired" book, and i say old because it was the first edition from 1963 and i had used it for years.
according to the wt cd there were revisions in 1983 and 1990. i came across this little goodie under the book of daniel.
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City Fan
City Fan has now appeared so let us see if he can answer the question.
I'd love to, but please, after you.
CF.
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New 607 info?
by startingover ini just discovered something i have not seen anywhere before.
i was looking at my old "all scripture inspired" book, and i say old because it was the first edition from 1963 and i had used it for years.
according to the wt cd there were revisions in 1983 and 1990. i came across this little goodie under the book of daniel.
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City Fan
You're back to your bullshitting best today scholar!
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"Greater Fulfilment"
by IT Support inthe society claim that many prophecies have a "greater fulfilment.
daniel 4 was not only fulfilled with king nebuchadnezzar, but has a "greater fulfilment" in telling when the gentile times will end.
has the society ever tried to justify this practise?
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City Fan
IT Support,
One of the first things I looked at after leaving the JWs was the book of Daniel. If this prophet really had predicted the Roman Empire then surely there must be some truth to bible prophecy?
it may be that WT's explanation is partially true, with the head, breasts and arms, belly and thighs and legs referring to Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome
The image of Daniel 2 and the beasts of Daniel 7 refer to Babylon, Media, Persia and finally Greece.
The 'feet and toes' part was about the conflict between two of the Greek empires that appeared after Alexander the Great's death, the Seleucids and the Ptolemies. Both had periods of strength and weakness. The last empire named by the book of Daniel is Greece, not Rome.
verses 41-43 don't talk about 'another kingdom' but rather that the kingdom (presumably still talking about Rome) would "be divided
Exactly. It was the Greek Empire that got divided.
CF.
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New 607 info?
by startingover ini just discovered something i have not seen anywhere before.
i was looking at my old "all scripture inspired" book, and i say old because it was the first edition from 1963 and i had used it for years.
according to the wt cd there were revisions in 1983 and 1990. i came across this little goodie under the book of daniel.
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City Fan
startingover:
Other places in their literature they have directly said he took the throne in 624 B.C.E
I've just had a quick look at that classic work of historical scholarship which is the 'Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy Book' where it does indeed state that Neb "ascended the throne of Babylon in 624 BCE".
Now if 607 really was Neb's 18th year then his ascension year would be 625 BCE. (His ascension year isn't counted as a regnal year).
Any Babylonian scholar would tell you that there is no 'probably' about when Neb ascended the throne. The Babylonian Chronicle says it was the first of Elul, or 7th September 605 BC.
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"Greater Fulfilment"
by IT Support inthe society claim that many prophecies have a "greater fulfilment.
daniel 4 was not only fulfilled with king nebuchadnezzar, but has a "greater fulfilment" in telling when the gentile times will end.
has the society ever tried to justify this practise?
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City Fan
startingover,
Daniel 2 is one of those 'prophecy written after the event' type chapters. There's the usual end-time denunciation against the Greeks and prophecy about god setting up a kingdom, which never happened.
This means evangelical Christian religions like the JWs are forced to drag the fullfillment of the prophecy into our time period (or else it would be false prophecy!).
A good book, if a bit heavy going in places, about this is 'Daniel' by John J. Collins from fortresspress.com.
CF.
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Name that movie!
by Mecurious? inokay, its simple.
it works like this.
i will give you a few lines from a particular movie.
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City Fan
Brainstorm! Thanks Chloe. I've been trying to think of that title all day since seeing 'The Dead Zone' in the supermarket DVD section. I thought it starred Christopher Walken.
CF.